WonderCafe Joins the Dialogue on Atheist Ads

WonderCafe is joining the dialogue raised by the "There's probably no God" ads, launching a campaign of its own encouraging people to join the discussion on the question of God.

WonderCafe's print and on-line ad campaign, which will be launched on Saturday, Jan. 31, welcomes the public discussion on the existence of God raised by the atheist bus ads, and sees it as an opportunity to delve deeper into what it really means when Christians say they believe in God.

Emerging Spirit executive director Keith Howard told the Toronto Star, "God has been 'co-opted' by many causes, from football to starting wars, Howard said, "and I think it is time we had a really good discussion about what we mean by God, what God's priorities might be and how that impacts how we live our lives.

For ways you can get involved, click here.

More:

Letter from the Moderator on the ad campaign.

Click here to see a larger version of the United Church response ad.

 

From the Toronto Star:

A provocative bus campaign questioning the existence of God will launch in Toronto in two weeks.

But a religious group will be stealing a bit of its thunder by incorporating its content into a campaign of their own, due to launch tomorrow.

The atheism campaign is already causing a stir in England, where it began this month.

Justin Trottier, co-founder of the Canadian Atheist Bus Campaign, is arranging to have the message "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life," placed on TTC buses as early as mid-February, with subways to follow. Details can be found at atheistbus.ca.

Trottier, president of the Freethought Association of Canada, said the ad is intended to create discussion and debate about religion.

The campaign and its headline-grabbing message are spreading like wildfire – or hellfire, depending on whom you ask – prompting the head of a Christian college in Toronto to call it a bigoted attack on religion.

In anticipation of the bus campaign, the United Church of Canada is rolling out an online response to the ad today and a national print campaign tomorrow.

The United Church ad, created by Toronto-based Smith Roberts Creative Communications, encourages readers to choose between the original message and theirs, which reads: "There's probably a God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Rev. Keith Howard, executive director of the church's Emerging Spirit Campaign, said the United Church wants to encourage conversations on religion as well as direct people to wondercafe.ca, the United Church's online discussion site.

In the past, the church has launched campaigns with controversial images, including a bobble-headed Jesus, to stir up similar discussions on faith.

The original bus campaign was the brainchild of British comedy writer Ariane Sherine, who was troubled by bus ads instructing riders to accept Christianity or burn in hell, according to the Washington Times.

Trottier and co-organizers plan to expand the campaign to Calgary and Halifax. It has received more than $30,000 in donations in two weeks, most of it from Toronto.

Trottier said atheism rarely, if ever, gets a place in religious debate and the campaign was overdue in a country as progressive as Canada.

"The whole point is just to open the door to a discussion and it does that."

(More - Keith Howard argues for the bus ads, Charles McVety argues against.)

 

(Added: List of media coverage for WonderCafe's response to the atheist bus ads.)

Comments

Bassic's picture

Brillant!!

Well done ES! Some fast footwork put us on the crest of this media wave. A very wise use of our resources. Thank-you for being good stewards.

Well done team. thanks for

Well done team.

thanks for your work.

And now for phase 2 . . .

Great ad. Great conversation opener. Are you contemplating a more forthright approach for phase two such as . . .

God lives! And God loves.
So stop worrying and enjoy your life.

OR

What has religion ever done for us:
I mean, besides hospitals, the abolition of slavery, civil rights, prison reform, votes for women...

OR

Where did Martin Luther King get his dreams?
Read the Bible and dream big too.

OR
Religion has no place in public life.
Okay. Except for Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Tommy Douglas . . .

OR

How did a smart cool guy like Barack Obama become a Christian?
Join with those who love God and find out.

and so on.
Joy

AMG's picture

Great stuff!

Joy,
I love this. I've posted it on WonderCafe in a new thread:

http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/religion-and-faith/follow-theres-pro...

Hopefully others will share their ideas as well.

Thanks,
Aaron
Producer, Emerging Spirit

I second baasic's comment!

Brilliant! And a wise use of resources indeed! Way to go, ES team!

...now if we could only figure out how to counter-attack the OTHER United Church campaign: "There's probably no emerging spirit"

Anna S. Christie
www.evokingchange.com

why question the existence of God?

I am troubled by the Church's promoting the question about the probability of God's existence. Why would true believers even react to the question? All true Christians I've spoken with claim they accept God's existence. So why would you place the word, "probably" in your advert?

God does exist; right? Or does the United Church have doubts?

AMG's picture

Yes, the United Church believes God exists!

Yes, the United Church believes God exists! The "probably" was designed as a parallel to the atheist ad and as a way of entering into dialogue with those who may have doubts or may believe, but aren't totally sure. The Moderator of the United Church speaks more about the campaign strategy here:

http://www.emergingspirit.ca/letter_from_moderator_regarding_dialogue_on...

Peace,
Aaron
Producer, Emerging Spirit

great "next steps"

love those additions joy...

congratulations!!

brilliant timing, brilliant sense of humour and even the Freethinkers are happy we jumped in.

Bassic's picture

Cross Post from WC

This is a cross post from

http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/religion-and-faith/follow-theres-pro...

I'm not sure whether it is better to have the discussion there or here. It comes back to the public/private part of the campaign arguement. Respond where you like.
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Should we co-opting this campagn to try and get converts. Really that's what most of those new solgans say. Come follow our way because.....

The intial ads certainly don't say that, and RevMatt in his debate with some atheists newly attracted to the site went to great lengths to say that he was not trying to prove God or convert them. We don't hold the burden of proof (thank God, because it is impossible) any more than we accept the atheist's assertion that the possiblity of God is so small that we should abandon the concept.

Is WonderCafe out to cnvince Canadians to make room in their lives for God OR is WonderCafe there for people who have a sense of God in their lives and want to find a place to explore it.

I may be violating a basis of union (pretty sure I am), but I'm not here to convert people, I'm here to welcome people to journey in faith, maybe at a UCC, and maybe not.

We risk changing the entire purpose of the program if we go looking for souls to save.

Bassic

Exposure

Heard Keith Howard interviewed on CFOS Owen Sound this morning. Sounded good. Any other media interviews?

The campaign initiated significant discussion at Rotary today at lunch. The newspaper publisher (Sun Media) was most impressed. I wouldn't be having that discussion without the ads.

Next time, how about a "heads up"? Choking on my Cheerios as I read about the ads in the Toronto Star isn't my way of having a good start to the day.

AMG's picture

Thanks David

Thanks David. We're glad that the ads are raising the discussion. That's the point! The timing was related to the publicity around the atheist bus campaign and had to be moved on quickly as soon as their ad was approved by the TTC. There truly wasn't much time for getting the word out, though we did send an alert to United Churches via the letter from the Moderator before our ad appeared. Thanks again.

-Aaron
Producer, Emerging Spirit

I understand the Need for

I understand the Need for Speed, Aaron. My point was that the Toronto Star beat you with the word out. That's not how it should be. I am also aware that 60% of United Chburch congregations do not have broadband access and many (40%) do not use or have internet access.

AMG's picture

Yes, the Toronto Star did beat us by several hours

Yes, the Toronto Star did beat us by several hours. But I'm told our email was received by about 1800 congregations, which is probably more than receive the Toronto Star! With a window of a few hours, I'm not sure how we could have gotten advance word out about the ad without using email, despite it's shortcomings.